tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post7232316330356278813..comments2023-09-18T21:28:14.719+08:00Comments on Kata Tak Nak: English, a must pass?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-9979434018041397962009-08-04T14:55:07.249+08:002009-08-04T14:55:07.249+08:00Wow, that is a very nicely thought out process. Yo...Wow, that is a very nicely thought out process. You gave me a very fresh perspective on abolishing PPSMI. Nicely done. Thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-66430282232472146202009-06-13T07:07:22.503+08:002009-06-13T07:07:22.503+08:00Terima kasih, cikgu. Saya juga adalah seorang guru...Terima kasih, cikgu. Saya juga adalah seorang guru dalam bidang bahasa dan komunikasi. <br /><br />Sekarang saya sedang bercuti kerana sedang melanjutkan pengajian, masih berusaha menjadi seorang ilmuan dan seorang guru yang lebih baik untuk anak-anak di Malaysia.<br /><br />Apa pun, terima kasih sekali lagi. Semoga perjuangan kita dalam memartabatkan dunia pendidikan akan dipermudah dan diberkati.HBM Consultanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14529296765169347988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-13399306808371665262009-06-11T23:49:11.192+08:002009-06-11T23:49:11.192+08:00Marniyati,
Maaf saya juga kepada Marni. macam ni l...Marniyati,<br />Maaf saya juga kepada Marni. macam ni la, panggil saja cikgu. Saya selesa panggilan tu tapi 'tuan' tu saya tak berapa selesa tapi kalau rasa nak panggil jugak, saya tak halang, after all ia hanya satu panggilan.<br />Marni ni cikgu jugak ka, atau sedang belajar nak jadi cikgu?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-70091664665395572052009-06-11T23:44:38.884+08:002009-06-11T23:44:38.884+08:00Ribuan terima kasih atas keizinan yang diberikan. ...Ribuan terima kasih atas keizinan yang diberikan. Ribuan kemaafan andai saya telah menyinggung perasaan.<br /><br />Pesan guru saya (Prof. Abdullah Hassan), gunalah kata panggilan kehormat bagi menghormati orang lain. Kata panggilan kekeluargaan seperti 'pakcik', 'abang', 'tokwan' dan sebagainya bukanlah kata panggilan hormat. Kata panggilan 'tuan' adalah kata panggilan paling hormat untuk orang yang tidak kita kenali. <br /><br />Pesan guru saya lagi, kata panggilan kekeluargaan memang boleh menampakkan kemesraan tetapi kita hanya boleh bermesra sesama ahli keluarga sahaja. Itulah adab dan budaya berbahasa orang Melayu yang sebenarnya. <br /><br />Justeru, saya hanya mematuhi ajaran guru saya dengan memanfaatkan ilmu ajarannya. Mohon maaf sekali lagi ya.HBM Consultanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14529296765169347988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-18603571173127518692009-06-11T13:22:10.542+08:002009-06-11T13:22:10.542+08:00Marni,
Ambil la, saya tak pernah halang siapa pun ...Marni,<br />Ambil la, saya tak pernah halang siapa pun daripada mengambil postings saya tapi saya mintak jangan panggil saya tuan. Panggil tokwan ka, pakcik ka, saudara ka tapi jangan panggil tuan, saya geli.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-21591814574410844722009-06-11T13:14:02.226+08:002009-06-11T13:14:02.226+08:00Analisis dan pandangan yang sangat bernas dan mena...Analisis dan pandangan yang sangat bernas dan menarik. Saya ingin memohon bagi menyalin dan meletakkan pandangan tuan ini di blog saya. Saya akan sertakan sekali sumber dan pautan ke blog tuan ini nanti.<br /><br />Terima kasih sekalung budi.HBM Consultanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14529296765169347988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-70631892646932657902009-06-10T20:42:06.774+08:002009-06-10T20:42:06.774+08:00Ahoo,
Very interesting the story about your daught...Ahoo,<br />Very interesting the story about your daughter. I am surprised but not shocked.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-48361752180713592692009-06-10T18:59:59.538+08:002009-06-10T18:59:59.538+08:00Yes SIR, politicians are people who sometimes very...Yes SIR, politicians are people who sometimes very emotional. They like to talk and talk but not walk the talk. How on earth are we going to get students to pass English if it is make compulsory ?<br /><br />Please lah, if anything has to be done, at least do some planning. Get those in standard one to start learning English the way it should be taught not the communicative type. They are indeed so much damaged done to our education system that we are now reaping what we sowed.<br /><br />For your info, my year was the last of the GCE and goodness, I was very poor in Bahasa Malaysia. Of course I failed that subject and the next year they started SPM with almost all subjects in Bahasa Malaysia.<br /><br />What to do Chegu ! One subject also cannot handle how to master more subjects in Bahasa Malaysia. Give up lah and ended up joining school and learned to use brain and hand together. Well, that was 1976 and yeah, the English then was much more " powderful " said newbies today. <br /><br />We sincerely need to start from the basic if the minister of education wants to see changes for the benefit of all. No point just talking about it. Arrest the issue at hand and look at the root problems. It may take another generation of at least 15-20 year of proper teaching in English to regain our former glory.<br /><br />I will close with a real story. My daughter when she was in standrd three, came home crying one day. We asked her what happen ? She relates that her school " english teacher " scolded her. I asked why and did you misbehave. She was scolded for correcting the teacher's thrice for speaking and teaching wrongly on past and present tense !!! First two time she was politely told, thank you and please sit down but on the third time, she was told " shut up and sit down ".<br /><br />Well, we always taught her that she need to speak and write correctly and if unsure, please ask the teacher. But here is one situation whereby a standard three student knows her english well enough to correct her teacher, no wonder her teacher was frustrated and shouted for her to shut-up and sit down. God saves us and let us pray for wisdom from God that the minister of education knows what he is talking and what he needs to do.ahoonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-76933845208333962302009-06-10T18:32:44.907+08:002009-06-10T18:32:44.907+08:00Singam,
They will stop the allowance alright. Whet...Singam,<br />They will stop the allowance alright. Whether PPSMI is still on or not the allowance would be taken away because the BM teachers are not very happy and rightly so. BM is a must pass and their teachers don't get allowance while English is not and they get allowances.<br />Yes, a real big mess can be forseen. <br />I really think this business of making English compulsory would be used as a tool to perpetuate PPSMI and yet not get vthe Malays uptight, sort of win-win. Thats how their politics work.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-46324798876363090372009-06-10T18:24:34.846+08:002009-06-10T18:24:34.846+08:00Dear Kata Tak Nak,
I fully agree with you - rammi...Dear Kata Tak Nak,<br /><br />I fully agree with you - ramming the ETeMS program down people's throats and then presenting false statistics to claim success was self-defeating. Actually most of the "admin work" foisted upon teachers is for the purpose of gathering meaningless statistics to make some person or other at the Jabatan look good.<br /><br />But dismantling the ETeMS program will cause a new problem to emerge - teachers of Science & Maths (as well as English teachers) now get a special incentive allowance (which caused a whole bunch of previously disinterested teachers to apply to teach these subjects). If the program is stopped, will the allowances be stopped as well? In which case, will the allowances for teaching English also be stopped? Otherwise, that will become another sensitive issue.<br /><br />And if the allowances are stopped, that will cause yet another furore. Teachers with the right connections will then wriggle their way out of teaching these subjects, including some who received special training. The hapless will be loaded, whether or not they are capable.<br /><br />Heads or tails, we lose. Sigh!Singamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-75707561262072470512009-06-10T16:55:49.817+08:002009-06-10T16:55:49.817+08:00Singam,
Nice to hear your views.As for teachers no...Singam,<br />Nice to hear your views.As for teachers not having the will to pick ujp the language, its easier said than done.<br />Many when they first became teachers never even dreamt that they would one day be asked to teach in a language they are completely uncomfortable with.<br />If the people in the ministry wanted to still do it, they could at least have started with only standard one and in the mean time train the secdondary school teachers. Wouldn't 6 years of training be enough?<br />No they rammed it in people's throat and make it compulsory for students in form 1 to follow. What happens?<br />I have spoken to people in the JPN who came to study the programme and they truthflly believed it was a waste of time.<br />Their reports to the people at the Kementerian were manipulated to show success when in actual fact it was and still is a disaster.<br />Now what happens? Pupils can answer in Malay and the Ministry gave out strange figures purposting that many answered in English.<br />I am not against the whole idea. Nothing must stop progress but somethings could.<br />If unwillingness bamongst the people is one then stupidity in rushing this matter is another.<br />Lets be prepared first otherwise, knowing the ministry, I know they will manipulate things to show that their programme bis a success while it is not and we are back to square one.<br />UMNO will not, being the racists that they are, be willing to break the quota which will make things all the more difficult.<br />There are many good English speaking people out there but they would rather be something else but teachers.<br />If you have to pay attractive enough allowances to this people and they are mainly non Malays UMNO will see it as suicide. See where we stand?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-33748971342660376012009-06-10T16:41:24.890+08:002009-06-10T16:41:24.890+08:00I'd like to share with you my response to Pak ...I'd like to share with you my response to Pak Idrus on Facebook...<br /><br />Whatever solution we adopt, the baseline problem is the lack of capable English teachers. A previous Education minister got the hare-brained idea of importing teachers from England. Of course, big bucks, big commission... so typical.<br /><br />If the Bumi quota in the teaching profession is ignored and all capable English-speaking Malaysians (of any age and ethnic descent) are roped in to conduct crash courses in the language, we can begin to attack the problem. But does UMNO have the will to do this?<br /><br />The next problem is the reluctance of some Malays to even try to improve the level of their English. This was in fact one of the causes of the failure of the ETeMS and EMS programs - teachers did not follow through on mentor programs nor make sufficient effort to improve the level of their English. Lack of time is indeed a problem, but lack of will was the bigger problem.<br /><br />If SRK(I) is brought back, UMNO leaders will lose many votes. And that will still not help rural Malays in any way. Many have suggested that reintroduction of English Literature is the key. But I see no reason to drop Maths & Science in English.<br /><br />The teacher training programs are already available and we only need the school heads to demand that teachers put in the required effort to improve. We also need the Malay people to accept the idea that English is important and that Malay will not become sidelined. Otherwise, no scheme will work. This message has to reach the grassroots and rabble-rousers persuaded to stop interrupting the program.<br /><br />The problem can be solved but it won't be easy. There are some really tough challenges to be faced, the biggest being socio-political.Singamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-83356324413104109852009-06-10T16:24:36.702+08:002009-06-10T16:24:36.702+08:00CO,
That is why I have said so many times, we have...CO,<br />That is why I have said so many times, we have to be prepared to make English a compulsory saubject and to begin with we must review the whole syllabus.<br />No point doing it now when the people who are not supposed to pass still pass because the ministry wants to show that they are successful. They have done it with PPSMI and will do it again with this.<br />As for your middle name, yes, I agree. This has got to change. My philosophy is life is simple. If you want to help someone, go ahead but do not do it at the expense of others.<br />In school, if I believe a Chinese is good enough to be made the Head Prefect then I will and have fought for it. I don't care so much for this race thing. They may want to call me a murtad Malay, that is their business, and neither do I want to be called a progressive Malay.<br />These are all labels just like our gov's slogans.<br />Is it too much to ask when I say, lets plan carefully? Even the past Education Minister Musa, the educationist (I may not like him)have said that, we could only do it when we are ready. Why don't the others say the bsame? Because they aren't educationist.<br />These people should have the bloody courtesy to atleast consult teachers otherwise it will truly be a case of tea ladies dressing up as Training Managers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-19918083048923636292009-06-10T16:11:31.124+08:002009-06-10T16:11:31.124+08:00Pak Idrus' status update piqued my curiosity e...Pak Idrus' status update piqued my curiosity enough to send me scuttling over.<br /><br />I beg to differ with Man Letih. "Yang pandai berbahasa English / Mandarin / Tamil tu pun tak kemana juga. Duduk kerja meroyan di Malaysia juga." Wow, that's a really narrow view to take, isn't it? So should we conclude that we shouldn't attempt to excel at anything because it is all a lost cause? There is a possibility, mind you, that those of us who excel in other languages "duduk kerja meroyan di Malaysia" because we are patriots and want to serve our country. I have turned down various opportunities to work abroad because I want to be part of Malaysia's nation-building process.<br /><br />There is much merit, however, in the views expressed both in this blogpost and the opinions left by all your kind commenters.<br /><br />I, for one, read Law because my application to do TESL was rejected despite my having obtained an A1 in SPM and 1119 English and a distinction in SPM BM and Malay Literature. The running joke was that it was because I had the wrong middle name, i.e. that if my 'middle name' were "Binti", I would have been offered a place. And so I have made law my calling, and while I spend many weekends conducting environmental education and basic English programmes for underprivileged youngsters, I cannot but feel contempt for those entrusted with the noble duty of teaching English in government schools. It is, as Anonymous at 9.43 puts it, very much a case of dressing tea ladies up as Training Managers. I believe I am under no obligation to acknowledge them as Training Managers.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />CO78~CovertOperations78~https://www.blogger.com/profile/05533605886607468773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-21963854431130093132009-06-10T14:41:39.210+08:002009-06-10T14:41:39.210+08:00CL,
I agree, but we must be prepared for it otherw...CL,<br />I agree, but we must be prepared for it otherwise they will bring down the passing mark and make a mockery of the whole thing. We will be back to square one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-40611248556348365882009-06-10T14:23:41.752+08:002009-06-10T14:23:41.752+08:00thanks Kata Tak Nak for opening my eyes...
all the...thanks Kata Tak Nak for opening my eyes...<br />all these while i try to build an ignorance to all the political and government issues... i never realized that this english issue could create such a great impact... but anyway i think this compulsory thing can also be a positive force that can push those lazy bumps to improve their english... :)CLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13120376330128608627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-45652646915030769572009-06-10T10:07:19.354+08:002009-06-10T10:07:19.354+08:00Anonymous,
There is a dark shadow behind the Minis...Anonymous,<br />There is a dark shadow behind the Minister. he is the puppet master. He is pulling the strings. I still believe this idea was conceived as a tool to perpetuate PPSMI.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-37461804719588230292009-06-10T09:43:58.857+08:002009-06-10T09:43:58.857+08:00Is our Education Minister a qualified person to si...Is our Education Minister a qualified person to sit at the position? i doubt. When the person is not the right one, how can we expect constructive planning from him? Now this question is opened to public, we could even call to tell our opinion?!! that's really nonsence. Would rakyat's voice be heard? have never seen that happened!!<br />This is just like we hire the tea lady to become a Training Manager in a company because she is the mistress of the GM!! regardless of her background!!<br />So back to the root cause of this problem. not that "english, a must pass?" but the DPM, is he the right person to head Ministry of Education?<br />I'd expect more monkey shows coming soon. we wait and see!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-67946324107700325482009-06-10T08:51:16.342+08:002009-06-10T08:51:16.342+08:00fahmi,
Yes, thats the magic word 'PLAN'fahmi,<br />Yes, thats the magic word 'PLAN'Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-79117538296521425672009-06-10T08:50:26.413+08:002009-06-10T08:50:26.413+08:00doshimaitri,
I believe that before everything is p...doshimaitri,<br />I believe that before everything is put up to facilitate the teaching of English, it should not be made a compulsory pass.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-20619789016308019362009-06-10T08:48:21.412+08:002009-06-10T08:48:21.412+08:00Samson,
Right now because of the bad economy, peop...Samson,<br />Right now because of the bad economy, people are rushing to apply to be teachers. Wait till the economy gets better and factories begin to spring up again, then there will be no takers for the job of teachers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-5788177334646649692009-06-10T05:41:37.735+08:002009-06-10T05:41:37.735+08:00My mother in her 70s can grammatically string bet...My mother in her 70s can grammatically string better English than half our so called college lecturers and she is not even Malaysian but Thai!<br /><br />Most schools in Thailand have higher passing marks in English than our present local schools and their syllabus are taken from US schools. Whereas we are so concerned about passing marks that we ignore English and churn out robots with 15As and higher who would fail their entrance exams in foreign universities.<br /><br />I have Chinese and BM educated local grads who speak worse English than a roadside coolie and I wonder how they managed to pass. Money talks?<br /><br />Yes, we need to revamp our education syllabus but how are we going to find dedicated Cikgus like yourself and many more from the previous generations as most new teachers comprise of people who cannot find any other vocation except teaching. Those who do, end up in prvate colleges which pay more. Its no longer an honoured calling to these people.<br /><br />Hope you will not feel offended :)Sammyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07875768296412463654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-68873288213288018962009-06-10T02:08:46.673+08:002009-06-10T02:08:46.673+08:00salam cikgu, hmm.. poor our teacher for the overlo...salam cikgu, hmm.. poor our teacher for the overloaded stuffs to do, and poor our deteriorating level of English usage by our students... hope that they plan properly...fahmihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778572013812757696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-3177509521316959512009-06-10T01:46:27.085+08:002009-06-10T01:46:27.085+08:00Yes, english should not be compulsery subject but ...Yes, english should not be compulsery subject but it should be treated as secondary language.<br /><br />In India people prefer to learn english as primary language. But it harms development of students.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.my-language-travel.com/language-school/English/" rel="nofollow">english immersion</a> killing local languages.doshimaitrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07881035594087173844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3240783397527062077.post-29866481497992508812009-06-10T00:51:23.374+08:002009-06-10T00:51:23.374+08:00Shah,
My minor is translation. Did they take our p...Shah,<br />My minor is translation. Did they take our particulars after graduation? Yes, you guessed right, No.<br />After graduation, I did do 1 translation work. I helped checked a piece done by a masters students.<br />Yes, that student is young and yes, it was full off errors so much so that the lecturer needed someone to go over it. Yes, it was hard hard because the person screwed up. Why is that so? His/her master of the main language is not up to mark and to think that these people are doing masters in translation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084016249299016323noreply@blogger.com